Saturday, August 16, 2014

Can a homosexual or lesbian be saved?

Joan Boney ... apostle/prophet

Can a homosexual (or lesbian) be saved?

Can an adulterer or fornicator be saved?

God groups homosexual, adulterer, fornicator together in the following scripture along with idolaters, abusers of themselves with mankind (those who deceive others for personal gain as worldly people often do), thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners.

I Cor. 6 ...  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

(To define "effeminate" ... NIV translates the KJV word "effeminate" as follows:  "men who have sex with men... I Cor. 6:10-11  NIV ... Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Do not be deceived:  Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.  But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of God.)


The homosexual, adulterer, fornicator, drunkard will no longer continue in his sin if he is born again.  When we are born again, we are changed immediately.  And we are given the Spirit of God at that time.  We are not the same person as we were before.  Now things of God are real to us and we care about that which God says.  We are born again, a new creature.  And the past sins are viewed in shame and sorrow by us.  We do not want to speak of those sins, nor should we.  The shame prohibits us from speaking. 

When we have the Spirit of God in us we will no longer participate in those past sins which are against God.

Some homosexuals do not realize it is sin.  By the Bible we know it is sin.

Romans 1 ... 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.  20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


(Notice in the next verse God begins to speak of fornicators ...)

 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:  32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 


A man might be born a "eunuch" , unable to perform sexually, and that is not a sin.  Jesus speaks of eunuch's in Mt. 19:12 ...12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men (castrated by men) : and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake.   (Paul did not marry although Paul had a right to marry.) Jesus said:  All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.   Paul speaks of this in I Cor. 7 advising against marriage but Paul also says you would have to be called of God not to marry and this is what Jesus said in Mt. 19. 

But a homosexual is different from a eunuch.  The homosexual is attracted to other men in a sexual attraction  as the lesbian is attracted to other women.  They both perform perversions of the sexual act.  That is not natural.  It is against nature.  (Romans 1)  Paul explained they were turned over by God to this "vile affection".  They live in that way of life just as the fornicators and adulterers lives in the sins of their sexual acts driven by their own fleshly desires without restraint of God.  Then for some, God reveals HIMSELF and when this happens they no longer continue in that way.  (God has mercy on whom HE will have mercy ... Romans 9)


So if God chooses to reveal Himself to a homosexual or lesbian, they will be born again, a new creature.  They will be different, no longer pursuing unnatural acts.  God will give that person a new mind made in the image of Christ.

I was acquainted with a woman who was a lesbian.  She told the following remarkable story.  She went into hospital for operation.  The night before the operation a nurse came to her room.  The nurse said:  "After this operation you are going to be different."  The lesbian replied, "Yes, I know that."  (The lesbian had a medical background and was a pharmacist.)  The nurse said, "No ... I mean you are going to be changed.  You will find you will no longer be able to stand those women you once loved."  After the operation, Peggy said she was totally changed.  She put away her lesbian lovers.  She sought out church people for friends.  She had been almost totally crazy before and now she had a sound mind.  Sounds like a born again situation.  (When Peggy realized she had been changed, she tried to find the nurse who had carried her the message that she would be changed after the operation.  There was no such nurse at that hospital.) 

I once thought you could not recover from a reprobate mind.  And of our own selves we might not be able to do so.  But God can recover us as HE wills just as HE turned the person over as HE willed.  For a season a person might be turned over to a mind without the judgment of God but God can certainly give that person judgment when HE chooses to do so.

Nevertheless, those who continue in acts of homosexuality, or fornication, or adultery, or extortion, or drunkeness will not inherit the kingdom of God.  (I Cor. 6) Paul says do not be deceived into thinking otherwise.  (I Cor. 6)  ... and those who are changed by God will no longer continue in these sins.